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Achaeans

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Achaeans
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Achaean heroes

Descriptive reference · Disguised

brave Achaeans

Epithet · Remembered

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Troy3 observations
·Reported

Telemachus recalls the Achaeans being harassed at Troy.

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‘Nestor,’ said he, ‘son of Neleus, honour to the Achaean name, you ask whence we come, and I will tell you. We come from Ithaca under Neritum, {28} and the matter about which I would speak is of private not public import. I seek news of my unhappy father Ulysses, who is said to have sacked the town of Troy in company with yourself. We know what fate befell each one of the other heroes who fought at Troy, but as regards Ulysses heaven has hidden from us the knowledge even that he is dead at all, for no one can certify us in what place he perished, nor say whether he fell in battle on the mainland, or was lost at sea amid the waves of Amphitrite. Therefore I am suppliant at your knees, if haply you may be pleased to tell me of his melancholy end, whether you saw it with your own eyes, or heard it from some other traveller, for he was a man born to trouble. Do not soften things out of any pity for me, but tell me in all plainness exactly what you saw. If my brave father Ulysses ever did you loyal service, either by word or deed, when you Achaeans were harassed among the Trojans, bear it in mind now as in my favour and tell me truly all.’
·Remembered

Nestor remembers the Achaeans fighting before Troy.

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‘My friend,’ answered Nestor, ‘you recall a time of much sorrow to my mind, for the brave Achaeans suffered much both at sea, while privateering under Achilles, and when fighting before the great city of king Priam. Our best men all of them fell there—Ajax, Achilles, Patroclus peer of gods in counsel, and my own dear son Antilochus, a man singularly fleet of foot and in fight valiant. But we suffered much more than this; what mortal tongue indeed could tell the whole story? Though you were to stay here and question me for five years, or even six, I could not tell you all that the Achaeans suffered, and you would turn homeward weary of my tale before it ended. Nine long years did we try every kind of stratagem, but the hand of heaven was against us; during all this time there was no one who could compare with your father in subtlety—if indeed you are his son—I can hardly believe my eyes—and you talk just like him too—no one would say that people of such different ages could speak so much alike. He and I never had any kind of difference from first to last neither in camp nor council, but in singleness of heart and purpose we advised the Argives how all might be ordered for the best.
·Remembered

The Achaeans fought before Troy.

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And Ulysses answered, ‘A man, goddess, may know a great deal, but you are so constantly changing your appearance that when he meets you it is a hard matter for him to know whether it is you or not. This much, however, I know exceedingly well; you were very kind to me as long as we Achaeans were fighting before Troy, but from the day on which we went on board ship after having sacked the city of Priam, and heaven dispersed us—from that day, Minerva, I saw no more of you, and cannot ever remember your coming to my ship to help me in a difficulty; I had to wander on sick and sorry till the gods delivered me from evil and I reached the city of the Phaeacians, where you encouraged me and took me into the town. {120} And now, I beseech you in your father’s name, tell me the truth, for I do not believe I am really back in Ithaca. I am in some other country and you are mocking me and deceiving me in all you have been saying. Tell me then truly, have I really got back to my own country?’
Lesbos1 observation
·Remembered

The Achaeans watched the wrestling in Lesbos.

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Menelaus on hearing this was very much shocked. ‘So,’ he exclaimed, ‘these cowards would usurp a brave man’s bed? A hind might as well lay her new born young in the lair of a lion, and then go off to feed in the forest or in some grassy dell: the lion when he comes back to his lair will make short work with the pair of them—and so will Ulysses with these suitors. By father Jove, Minerva, and Apollo, if Ulysses is still the man that he was when he wrestled with Philomeleides in Lesbos, and threw him so heavily that all the Achaeans cheered him—if he is still such and were to come near these suitors, they would have a short shrift and a sorry wedding. As regards your questions, however, I will not prevaricate nor deceive you, but will tell you without concealment all that the old man of the sea told me.
·Remembered

Ulysses remembered the Achaeans practising archery before Troy.

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Ulysses was glad when he found he had a friend among the lookers-on, so he began to speak more pleasantly. ‘Young men,’ said he, ‘come up to that throw if you can, and I will throw another disc as heavy or even heavier. If anyone wants to have a bout with me let him come on, for I am exceedingly angry; I will box, wrestle, or run, I do not care what it is, with any man of you all except Laodamas, but not with him because I am his guest, and one cannot compete with one’s own personal friend. At least I do not think it a prudent or a sensible thing for a guest to challenge his host’s family at any game, especially when he is in a foreign country. He will cut the ground from under his own feet if he does; but I make no exception as regards any one else, for I want to have the matter out and know which is the best man. I am a good hand at every kind of athletic sport known among mankind. I am an excellent archer. In battle I am always the first to bring a man down with my arrow, no matter how many more are taking aim at him alongside of me. Philoctetes was the only man who could shoot better than I could when we Achaeans were before Troy and in practice. I far excel every one else in the whole world, of those who still eat bread upon the face of the earth, but I should not like to shoot against the mighty dead, such as Hercules, or Eurytus the Oechalian—men who could shoot against the gods themselves. This in fact was how Eurytus came prematurely by his end, for Apollo was angry with him and killed him because he challenged him as an archer. I can throw a dart farther than any one else can shoot an arrow. Running is the only point in respect of which I am afraid some of the Phaeacians might beat me, for I have been brought down very low at sea; my provisions ran short, and therefore I am still weak.’
Argos1 observation
·Hypothetical

Eurymachus hypothetically represented all the Achaeans as being in Iasian Argos.

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Thus did they converse. Eurymachus then came up and said, ‘Queen Penelope, daughter of Icarius, if all the Achaeans in Iasian Argos could see you at this moment, you would have still more suitors in your house by tomorrow morning, for you are the most admirable woman in the whole world both as regards personal beauty and strength of understanding.’
·Direct

The Achaeans gathered under the shady grove of Apollo.

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Thus spoke Antinous, but Telemachus heeded him not. Meanwhile the heralds were bringing the holy hecatomb through the city, and the Achaeans gathered under the shady grove of Apollo.

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·Reported

Phemius’s song tells of the sufferings Minerva laid upon the Achaeans.

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Phemius was still singing, and his hearers sat rapt in silence as he told the sad tale of the return from Troy, and the ills Minerva had laid upon the Achaeans
·Remembered

The brave Achaeans suffer greatly while privateering under Achilles and fighting before Priam’s city, where their best men fall.

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the brave Achaeans suffered much both at sea, while privateering under Achilles, and when fighting before the great city of king Priam. Our best men all of them fell there—Ajax, Achilles, Patroclus peer of gods in counsel, and my own dear son Antilochus, a man singularly fleet of foot and in fight valiant. But we suffered much more than this; what mortal tongue indeed could tell the whole story? Though you were to stay here and question me for five years, or even six, I could not tell you all that the Achaeans suffered
·Remembered

Heavy with wine at sunset, the Achaeans spring up with a sky-rending cry and split over what to do.

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it was sunset and the Achaeans were heavy with wine. When they explained why they had called the people together, it seemed that Menelaus was for sailing homeward at once, and this displeased Agamemnon, who thought that we should wait till we had offered hecatombs to appease the anger of Minerva. Fool that he was, he might have known that he would not prevail with her, for when the gods have made up their minds they do not change them lightly. So the two stood bandying hard words, whereon the Achaeans sprang to their feet with a cry that rent the air, and were of two minds as to what they should do
·Reported

The Achaeans applaud Orestes for nobly avenging his father.

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the Achaeans applaud Orestes
·Hypothetical

Ulysses believes the Achaeans would have given him due burial and honoured his name had he died at Troy.

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for then I should have had due burial and the Achaeans would have honoured my name
·Remembered

Ulysses identifies his party to Polyphemus as Achaeans returning from Troy.

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We are Achaeans on our way home from Troy
·Remembered

Ulysses remembers the Achaeans fighting before Troy.

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you were very kind to me as long as we Achaeans were fighting before Troy
·Direct

The Achaeans gather beneath Apollo’s shady grove.

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the Achaeans gathered under the shady grove of Apollo
·Direct

The Achaeans are shortly destined to taste the arrows held in Ulysses’s quiver.

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for those which the Achaeans were so shortly about to taste were all inside the quiver
·Reported

Ulysses darkly tells the Achaeans to prepare supper while daylight remains.

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it is time for the Achaeans to prepare supper while there is still daylight
·Hypothetical

Ulysses says he will compel the Achaeans to replace livestock until all his yards are full.

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will compel the Achaeans to make good the rest till they shall have filled all my yards
·Remembered

Achilles recalls the many brave men captained by Agamemnon while they fought together before Troy.

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for you were captain over many and brave men, when we were all fighting together before Troy
·Remembered

Agamemnon recalls the bravest Achaeans fighting all day around Achilles’s body.

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the bravest of the Trojans and the Achaeans fell round you fighting for your body. There you lay in the whirling clouds of dust, all huge and hugely, heedless now of your chivalry. We fought the whole of the livelong day

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·Reported
the ills Minerva had laid upon the Achaeans
·Reported
the Achaeans, and more particularly the wicked suitors, are hindering me
·Reported
when you Achaeans were harassed among the Trojans
·Remembered
no one of all the Achaeans worked so hard
·Remembered
the Achaeans would have honoured my name
·Remembered
when we Achaeans were before Troy
·Remembered
Achaeans
·Remembered
the return of the Achaeans
·Reported
foremost champion of the Achaeans
·Reported
honour to the Achaean name
·Remembered
we Achaeans were fighting before Troy
·Disguised
Before the Achaeans went to Troy
·Remembered
we Achaeans were fighting before Troy
·Hypothetical
before he can call the Achaeans in assembly
·Reported
the most distinguished man among the Achaeans
·Disguised
there are Achaeans, brave Eteocretans
·Reported
will compel the Achaeans to make good the rest
·Hypothetical
the Achaeans would have built a mound over your ashes
·Reported
this man has done the Achaeans great wrong

Passage preview

Book 1 · Passage 19

‘But there! It rests with heaven to determine whether he is to return, and take his revenge in his own house or no; I would, however, urge you to set about trying to get rid of these suitors at once. Take my advice, call the Achaean heroes in assembly to-morrow morning—lay your case before them, and call heaven to bear you witness. Bid the suitors take themselves off, each to his own place, and if your mother’s mind is set on marrying again, let her go back to her father, who will find her a husband and provide her with all the marriage gifts that so dear a daughter may expect. As for yourself, let me prevail upon you to take the best ship you can get, with a crew of twenty men, and go in quest of your father who has so long been missing. Some one may tell you something, or (and people often hear things in this way) some heaven-sent message may direct you. First go to Pylos and ask Nestor; thence go on to Sparta and visit Menelaus, for he got home last of all the Achaeans; if you hear that your father is alive and on his way home, you can put up with the waste these suitors will make for yet another twelve months. If on the other hand you hear of his death, come home at once, celebrate his funeral rites with all due pomp, build a barrow to his memory, and make your mother marry again. Then, having done all this, think it well over in your mind how, by fair means or foul, you may kill these suitors in your own house. You are too old to plead infancy any longer; have you not heard how people are singing Orestes’ praises for having killed his father’s murderer Aegisthus? You are a fine, smart looking fellow; show your mettle, then, and make yourself a name in story. Now, however, I must go back to my ship and to my crew, who will be impatient if I keep them waiting longer; think the matter over for yourself, and remember what I have said to you.’